Jabber About Jabs
The Vaccine Debate
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One of the big issues of the whole Covidiocy was how “experts” managed to beclown themselves repeatedly on matters regarding health as this long (bad for the blood pressure) article documents in extreme detail
As we are all only too well aware one major area of beclownment was the whole wuflu vaccine mess where all kinds of previously known good science was tossed out for claims that have subsequently turned out to be bovine fecal matter.
For example the claim that (mRNA) vaccination was superior to immunity gained from having had the wuflu and recovered and the odd claim that vaccination would stop you spreading the wuflu if you caught it.
Unexpectedly (hah!) this vaccine “science” and the accompanying illegal forced vaccination of just about everyone has caused people in general to look skeptically and in depth at vaccinations in general. And hoo boy that’s turned up some interesting data.
Vax or Anti-vax?
I, personally, am lukewarm on vaccinations. Small pox? yep worked. Polio? apart from the occasional fuck up, worked. Indeed worked sufficiently well that, except in parts of Afghanistan/Pakistan and Africa, Polio is effectively not a disease we need to worry about (though the Kasparov quote is relevant) personally.
Even some modern vaccinations such as HPV.
Cervical cancer deaths have plunged dramatically among women under age 25, and researchers at MUSC Hollings Cancer Center believe this is likely due to HPV vaccination.
Their study, published in JAMA, is the first to suggest the impact of HPV vaccination on cervical cancer deaths.
"We observed a substantial reduction in mortality -- a 62% drop in cervical cancer deaths over the last decade, likely due to HPV vaccination," said senior author Ashish Deshmukh, Ph.D., co-leader of the Cancer Prevention and Control Research Program at MUSC Hollings Cancer Center. "We cannot think of any other reason that would have contributed to such a marked decline."
And that’s not the only HPV vax study, and indeed since HPV also seems to be implicated in various other cancers, the almost two decades of HPV vaccinations may be one reason why a number of cancers are declining.
Aside: talking of cancers, on the other hand the Covid vax seems to have increased cancers significantly.
I tend to believe that vaccinations for diseases like yellow fever and tetanus are solidly in positive territory too.
So yes some vaccinations are good. But, and this cannot be stressed enough, that does not mean that all vaccinations are good, or that a particular schedule of childhood vaccinations is perfect.
Vaxes That Don’t Or Don’t Well
A good vax is one that is generally effective and which has minimal negative side effects. The Wuflu vaxes - all of them - have had very poor effectiveness and the western developed ones, both the mRNA ones and the artifical virus ones, had numerous nasty side effects - see e.g. link above about cancers. We don’t know the side effects of the Chinese vax because, well, China and China lies about this kind of thing, likewise Russia. My guess is that both were equally bad but I haven’t seen anything - not that I’ve looked very hard.
But the wuflu vaxes are not the only ones that are problematic. Vaccinations for regular flu mostly don’t provide much if any actual protection. Indeed it seems that last winter’s flu vax had negative effectiveness:
People who received a flu vaccine formulated for the 2024-2025 flu season had a 27% higher risk of getting the flu than those who didn’t get the vaccine, suggesting “the vaccine has not been effective in preventing influenza this season,” according to a new preprint study.
The study of 53,402 employees of the Cleveland Clinic, an Ohio-based nonprofit academic medical center, concluded that the flu vaccine had a negative effectiveness rate of 26.9%.
Now there may well be some statistical oddness that partly explains that particular result. E.g. that the people who were vaccinated were more likely to be exposed to the flu, though it seems that scientists who have reviewed this particular study think this particular study is large enough and good enough that the result is legit. Hence, given that many people have a poor reaction to the flu jab itself, it seems extremely hard to justify its administration every year.
And then there are the RSV vaccines. As far as I can tell RSV is just another virus that we once called “a cold”. Yes I get it can be bad for old people and so on, but there doesn’t seem much point in a vaccination. Especially if the vaccine causes serious side-effects quite often
There may be other vaccines that are equally useless and dangerous. One of the things that I am totally on board with regarding RFK Jr. is his desire to have actual clear long term trials of vaccines and improved tracking of side-effects.
However, as I said above, that doesn’t mean I want all vaccinations stopped, though it does mean I want fewer vaccinations and for those vaccinations to generally take place later in life and only when likely to be needed.
How About That Schedule?
Interestingly it turns out that some vaccines appear to be a lot more effective than science thought. For example, in various countries, it has been standard practice to administer Tetanus boosters every decade or so. But not in Britain. Yet British rates of Tetanus are no higher than those across the Channel where they do. So um maybe just administer the thing once around say, age 12, and then stop. It would not surprise me to learn that other vaccines are similar, though AIUI the chicken pox / shingles one does expire.
Similarly there’s been a fair amount of debate about the effectiveness of the Danish childhood vaccination schedule compared to the US one.
This susbtack goes into great detail about the Danish schedule and its differences with the US one.
If you don’t feel like reading it all then the slide above and this paragraph is probably enough:
Few Americans are aware that Denmark does not offer yearly COVID-19 or influenza vaccine to non-high-risk children or adults under the age of 65, nor the hepatitis B vaccine at birth or during childhood unless a child is at high risk (for example is born to a hepatitis B positive mother), nor the rotavirus or chickenpox vaccines or many other vaccines considered relevant or even mandated in the US, including 2 doses of varicella (chickenpox) and 3 doses of hepatitis B vaccines, which are mandated in states like California but not even offered to children in Denmark. Denmark only vaccinates for a total of 10 diseases in childhood, and only those that can cause severe disease in the child. In contrast, the US vaccinates for 18 diseases with 68 doses.
As best I can tell the differences in life expectancy and quality of life between the US and Denmark are minimal and for sure the differences in the spread of relevant infectious diseases are lost in statistical noise.
Chronic Disease and Vaccination
In fact there was recent congressional testimony that strongly suggests that overall, vaccination is bad for children and seems to correlate with higher rates of various chronic diseases and conditions
[T]he study isolated 18,468 children in the Henry Ford medical system who were enrolled in that system from birth. This meant that the data captured all medical encounters from birth until disenrollment, including any vaccines each child received and the medical conditions they were coded for. Among these 18,468 children, 1,957 had no exposure to vaccination (meaning zero vaccines) and 16,511 had received at least one vaccine during their enrollment, with various levels of exposure.
The result can be summarized by this graph
Whether or not a particular vaccine causes autism or not, there seems to be considerable evidence that vaccination in general causes mental/cogitive issues:
Even more striking: in conditions where unvaccinated children had zero cases (brain dysfunction, ADHD, learning disabilities, intellectual disabilities, and tics), there were hundreds of cases among the vaccinated group.
and
A statistically significant association was found between vaccination and the incidence of asthma, atopic and autoimmune disease, and mental health and neurodevelopmental disorders including developmental delay and speech disorder.
It would be interesting to see if particular vaccinations (coff MMR coff) correlate with negative outcomes or whether age of vaccination does or… These sorts of analysis should also be possible if the raw data is available but sadly it does not seem to be.
However a different paper published in 2020 that looked at about 2000 children shows similar results
Using data from three medical practices in the United States with children born between November 2005 and June 2015, vaccinated children were compared to unvaccinated children during the first year of life for later incidence of developmental delays, asthma, ear infections and gastrointestinal disorders. All diagnoses utilized International Classification of Diseases–9 and International Classification of Diseases–10 codes through medical chart review. Subjects were a minimum of 3 years of age, stratified based on medical practice, year of birth and gender and compared using a logistic regression model.
Results:
Vaccination before 1 year of age was associated with increased odds of developmental delays (OR = 2.18, 95% CI 1.47–3.24), asthma (OR = 4.49, 95% CI 2.04–9.88) and ear infections (OR = 2.13, 95% CI 1.63–2.78). In a quartile analysis, subjects were grouped by number of vaccine doses received in the first year of life. Higher odds ratios were observed in Quartiles 3 and 4 (where more vaccine doses were received) for all four health conditions considered, as compared to Quartile 1. In a temporal analysis, developmental delays showed a linear increase as the age cut-offs increased from 6 to 12 to 18 to 24 months of age (ORs = 1.95, 2.18, 2.92 and 3.51, respectively). Slightly higher ORs were also observed for all four health conditions when time permitted for a diagnosis was extended from ⩾ 3 years of age to ⩾ 5 years of age.
It seems likely that other health systems have similar data so it ought to be fairly simple for a much, much larger study to be done by other researchers to see whether they find similar results. One suspects that RFK Jr. and his merry men are going to get data from places like Johns Hopkins and Kaiser Permanente and run the same data filtering queries and publish the results.
Vaccine Mandates Are Evil
Really, there’s nothing that needs to be added to this. Forget the flawed wuflu vaxes, there essentially no good reasons to mandate vaccination for anything as part of a job requirement, let alone a requirement to attend school or some event.
Even if someone develops a low side-effect vaccine for some deadly otherwise incurable disease (e.g. Ebola) it is insane to require that people whose chances of exposure to the disease are in the range of none to one in several million because there are no medical treatments with zero side-effects. Sometimes you just have to accept that people should calculate the relative risks themselves and decide (or decide for their children). Sure sometimes they’ll get it wrong and die from something that vaccination will protect them against, but sometimes they’ll get it wrong the other way and suffer serious side-effects from a vaccine they didn’t need.
Autism
On that note. There are claims that vaccines cause autism and that autism is on the rise. Cremieux Recueil has a couple of substack posts1 where he makes the point that all (or at the very least most) of the rises in reported autism numbers are due to broadened definitions and the incentives for funding if children are diagnosed that way.
I am not entirely convinced that this is 100% correct, but I can certainly believe that RFK Jr.’s statements about the vast increase in autism are massively overstating the problem. That doesn’t mean that there hasn’t been an increase in autism, but my feeling is that it it’s at most a doubling as opposed to the orders of magnitude increase that RFK Jr. claims.
Could that some of that possible doubling be caused by vaccines? Maybe. It is certainly true that, as noted above, vaccination seems to cause a number of issues. Also the Danish researcher who wrote one of the key “no link” papers has been arrested for fraud related to grants from the CDC for research in this area2.
Put it this way, there is a reasonable hypothesis that too many vaccinations given to a young child could cause effects due the child’s growing immune system that would not happen if the vaccines were given when the child was older. Since severe autism seems to most often be detected when the child is under 5, why not delay most vaccinations to after most children have started walking and talking and exchangung bugs with their playdates and so on. Let the immune system develop naturally first and then administer the vaccines later once the immune system is up and running and the brain has matured further?
This approach seems to be what RFK Jr.’s new committee is recommending, much to the chagrin of “experts”. Although states like California3 seem determined to do their own thing and jab everyone, assuming the new guidelines are followed in a few years we will have clear evidence about whether the vaccine schedule for MMRV did indeed cause autism or other issues.
As the HPV is spread, at least in part, through sex and that the numbers of teens engaging in sex has seen a decrease in several of the recent years predating the panic, I am not sold on its efficacy. Too many confounders that as far as I know, have never been looked into. Might be the same with some of the others I too once thought were based upon rack solid science. One, Polio I think, saw a massive drop in cases before the vaccine was available. If true, and I have no idea how big of an “if” that is, then the vaccine deserves far less credit than it receives.
Could the fact that tetanus rates are the same in countries that do and do not boost every decade be due to the fact that the vaccine is simply not effective at all?
I am completely against the chicken pox vaccine. If ever there was a disease that does not need a vaccine it is chicken pox. We all got it as kids and for most who do get it, they are protected for life. It is necessary training for the immune system. From what I have read before the panic, those who get the CP vax are more likely to get the adult forms of the disease which can be rather rough but rarely deadly, and in the case of my grandfather, a life saver.
As far as studies go on vaccinated vs. no vaccinated children, why hasn’t anyone studied the Amish, who generally do not get vaccines, and those who do, do not follow the CDC schedule nor get all of them. If studies have been done, why are they not published and publicized?
I believe that the medical community knows the truth about vaccines and it is abhorrent. But what Guy Incognito recently stated with teachers applies here too; they fight to keep the truth from getting out as it would affect their livelihoods in profoundly negative ways.
I agree that the increase in reported cases of autism is probably not due only to vaccines, however, whatever the causes are they need to be dealt with. It has been learned that there are financial incentives to push vaccines and for diagnosing covid. I have little doubt that such exists in many other aspects of medicine. This is perhaps the biggest culprit behind all these issues. It is why those who speak out against any aspect of this have the entire medical-political establishment come after them. Such people are attacking their golden goose.
There's a 'better hope I am joking' about me being an expert in expertise, and akshully, I do understand why people don't trust experts. People sorta should not be trusting experts, and the incidental filtering that many outsiders to academia did would naturally result in experiencing 2020 as a big huge 'these people are useless and actively harmful' warning.
I absolutely do not believe that we have clear apples and oranges data on per capita incidence of autism.
Any sort of decadal trends have the certain confounding factor of changes to infant and child death rates from other causes.
Before we consider that the last twenty or more years of diagnosis data are contaminated with two professions going insane or being politicized.
I'm personally fine with dismissing RFK as a lunatic, his position on the murders of his family members is clearly questionable, but the health bureaucracies deserve the obligation to treat his positions on health as serious.
Anyway, close family members that I often trust were much more based than I on the vaccine debate, and on childhood vaccine policy. I really wanted to believe that the feds could manage a sane military policy during a biological war. 2020 finally forced me to come around to reason and good sense.
There is an argument that Denmark has the distinct difference that it does not have a land border with Mexico. It does share a border with Mexico in the sense that the North sea connects to the Gulf of America through the Atlantic. Still a qualitatively different border situation, and perhaps thus situation with alien exposure and the pathogen distribution.
Anyway, I am pretty much of the view that the vaccine mandates were evil, and evil of a sort that would naturally raise serious doubts as to whether federal contractors which do medical research are ethically fit to deliver what the public needs to trust the basic research assertions.