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Greg Kemnitz's avatar

I won't pretend to be a networking guru, but I've had to set up office networks in a few startups. One thing I learned early on was the technical differences between a "router", a "bridge", and a "hub".

Routers create a sort of network partition, and are smart enough to keep traffic inside their local network local, while forwarding traffic that needs to go out to the "outbound" network.

Hubs are just dumb repeaters. They often look like routers - and are a lot cheaper because they're dumber - but repeat traffic out to everything that's connected to them.

Bridges are basically bigger, more scalable, and more expensive routers that you need if you have multiple office networks that need to interact with each other.

Too many people would see a $15 hub and just fill their office network with them, and wonder why their office networking was so slow, especially when 10baseT was what most people used. A few times I pretended to be a networking guy just by figuring out where routers should be instead of hubs, buying a few $50 routers, deploying them, and suddenly the network is decently fast.

As for IBM worlds, the one thing that scaled better than IBM networks was IBM expense. A couple of startups I was at briefly chatted with IBM sales reps, got basically "the $2000 you are budgeting for your 50 device office network will be like $15K for an IBM network", and that was that.

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Belling the Cat's avatar

Loved reading this. Not a programmer, but when I went (back) to grad school, a workstudy job was running the LAN for my dept, thru which I met a kindly gent running everything in the Dook dungeons. My job was boring and MG suggested I type "rn" at the *nix prompt. What a world! When I say the list of ahem newsgroups could be printed on about 10pp, you'll know it wasn't the beginning of the world but I could see it right behind & talk/listen to people who had a hand in building it.

Among others, I read alt.folklore.computers daily for years; frankly everyone I read conversed easily in these topics (so I understand more than I can do), and your piece took me right back to those days. Disclosure, big fan of esr, not least for his ability to explain things and willingness to change his mind, e.g., https://x.com/esrtweet/status/1910809356381413593 led to an epiphany of my own. In the thread you cite, perhaps you'd agree he implicitly acknowledges general correctness of what I take to be at least one main point of your comments (responding to https://x.com/CDoombeard/status/1982168304379728078). Anyway, thanks for the read.

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