I’m generally happy with substack. It’s a decent platform to write on, I read lots of interesting content on it, but I’m detecting signs that substack is beginning to try the algorithmic displays of content that made Facebook, Xitter and co. so bad and made censorship so easy.
Worse there is no obvious way to provide feedback to substack that I dislike what I perceive as the first steps down the road to full adtech algorithmic enshittification.
Note: I use the browser version more than the app, but I use that too. So far as I can tell the two are pretty similar though my app doesn’t do the “priority” thing for the inbox (but then I just noticed it this morning on the browser so maybe the app hasn’t updated yet)
What has driven me to write this post is that this morning I noticed that I didn’t seem to be seeing as many recent substack articles in my “inbox”. Then, for reasons, I went to the Home page and saw different, and more recent, articles highlighted. So I did some poking around and found that the inbox now has an option for “Priority” or “Recent” and that the choice had been made for me to display “Priority”.
I had perviously noted the “Home” was not the same as “Following” and while I kind of get the difference, Home seems prone to giving me older stuff that, while sometimes interesting, is generally not what I’m looking for. I think it is fair to say I don’t actually want “Home”, I want “Following” as my default and that substack seems to sometimes change it back when I’m not paying attention. It is possible, since I read on 2 different computers and the app, that this is something I’m doing but it isn’t obvious that I’m doing it if that happens.
Related to the “Home” issue is this note from Christopher Messina, which I have also observed from time to time (not neccessarily Jim Acosta in my case, but I don’t want him either)
All this leads me to believe that substack is dabbling in the same stuff that made facebook, Xitter and the like actively unpleasant - algorithmic curation. Where a computer program decides what you want to see instead of you and/or where a computer decides that you don’t need to see something and hides it from you without your knowledge so you have no idea that it is there.
This is not a good place for substack to be heading. We’ve already been down this path with Facebook, Xitter, medium and so on. Part of the reason why discourse moved to substack was that it wasn’t algorithmically controlled. We have people like Michael Shellenberger, Lee Fang and Matt Taibbi on who wrote on substack about how bad it was when the social media companies started censorship. Substack really needs to think very carefully about heading down that path.
I don’t neccessarily mind curation as an option. I do want the curation to be clearly called out and not be the default though.
Chronological order as default
I want to see comments, posts, notes and everything in chronological order by default.
I don’t know how to put it more clearly. I want to see comments, posts, notes and everything in chronological order by default. I like the option to see “most popular” but 99% of the time even the most popular comments benefit from context with what was written before. I want to be able to set this in one place (or maybe two or three places) and NOT HAVE THIS FUCKED WITH in the future when some smart programmer or UX person introduces some cool new feature.
I don’t think I am alone in this and I’m guessing that this kind of thing is going to annoy many people when they realize that it’s happening
Announcements and Feedback
In addition there are two big issues that this brings up.
The first is that there has been no obvious announcement of the change. Websites and apps often have a little walk through of new features when they update. Sometimes it can be annoying but there’s usually an option to skip the tutorial and at least, even if you hit skip, you know changes happened so having things slightly different is not a surprise.
Substack didn’t do that. They didn’t even put a banner at the top of the page saying “new display option”. I found out by wondering why I wasn’t seeing what I expected. That’s the least good way for a user to find out that things have changed.
Secondly there’s no obvious place where I can send the contents of this post and expect a substack employee to read it. This is not the only bit of feedback I’d like to give, but I have no way to submit feedback that I can see. And to be honest I don’t expect a substack employee to read every individual feedback. Summarising weekly/daily feedback is an ideal application of AI, but the output of that AI process - “in the last day substack received 541 comments regarding the ‘priority view’ option, most were negative. There were also 2034 complaints about …” would be valuable to substack and worth someone reading.
PS if anyone from substack does read this another bit of feedback I’d like to give is regarding the ability to make one off (micro) payments to authors within substack. Essentially take the standard “if you liked this please consider dropping a few $ in my ko-fi” that many substack writers end their posts with and make it a substack managed option. Perhaps extending that to “I’m willing to pay $1 to unlock this one post”. Oh and, in case this isn’t clear, that doesn’t mean banning people from using ko-fi, but allowing them the option to roll that into their substack payment would be good.
AMEN. I had originally thought Substack would be different. And in some ways it is.
But my professional life has been in fintech - I was one of the people who created "fintech" at Goldman Sachs back in the 1990s when it was a real partnership. I engaged with Chris Best and some of the other Substack managers a year ago about micropayments and was told they only wanted "macro payments." One of the companies I invested in has a perfect micro payments solution, so it was a real offer, not a theoretical one.
I still think that was a stupid decision but it is theirs to make.
Then there was an announcement somewhere that Substack would lure away writers who already had cashflow from other places. Basically underwriting their risk of moving; "If you make $1 million per week by writing for these outlets, and you make $10,000 on Substack, we Substack will pay you $990,000 to move your wonderful musings here."
I gather they got a massive bag of cash from a (Left leaning California) VC to bring shills like Robert Reich and now - God save us - Jim Fucking Acosta whose only claim to fame was being a rude douchebag to President Trump, giving an appalling display of Leftist disdain for a President they did not like. Now apparently, given the shit-eating grin Jimmy has in the MULTIPLE live broadcasts with Chris Best, Jimmy got some of those millions in Leftist cheddar for bringing his "deep thoughts" to Substack.
Oh well. For now, I keep using it - although much like facebook and Twitter, my account was suddenly SUSPENDED for no reason ever provided - although with an eye towards the exit in case it goes full Lefty Moronic. The existence of the Unholy and Somewhat Silly Trinity of the Eternally Empirically Wrong Robert Reich, Paul Krugman and Jim Acosta means I can hear the hooves of the horsemen of the Apocalypse bearing down on us all.
> I want to see comments, posts, notes and everything in chronological order by default.
This. This!!! THIS!!!!!
You are certainly not alone.
Another thing that greatly annoys me (because it greatly complicates any kind of discussion in the comments) is: nested comments. Next to Top/Most Popular order it's probably the greatest evil out there.
The Right Way (he said modestly) is *threaded* comments. Discord does this--and with one serious exception their implementation is pretty good. Bix.com did a good job of this way back in 1985, so it's not like it's an unknown concept, or even a great concept but hard-to-implement.