There's a 'better hope I am joking' about me being an expert in expertise, and akshully, I do understand why people don't trust experts. People sorta should not be trusting experts, and the incidental filtering that many outsiders to academia did would naturally result in experiencing 2020 as a big huge 'these people are useless and actively harmful' warning.
I absolutely do not believe that we have clear apples and oranges data on per capita incidence of autism.
Any sort of decadal trends have the certain confounding factor of changes to infant and child death rates from other causes.
Before we consider that the last twenty or more years of diagnosis data are contaminated with two professions going insane or being politicized.
I'm personally fine with dismissing RFK as a lunatic, his position on the murders of his family members is clearly questionable, but the health bureaucracies deserve the obligation to treat his positions on health as serious.
Anyway, close family members that I often trust were much more based than I on the vaccine debate, and on childhood vaccine policy. I really wanted to believe that the feds could manage a sane military policy during a biological war. 2020 finally forced me to come around to reason and good sense.
There is an argument that Denmark has the distinct difference that it does not have a land border with Mexico. It does share a border with Mexico in the sense that the North sea connects to the Gulf of America through the Atlantic. Still a qualitatively different border situation, and perhaps thus situation with alien exposure and the pathogen distribution.
Anyway, I am pretty much of the view that the vaccine mandates were evil, and evil of a sort that would naturally raise serious doubts as to whether federal contractors which do medical research are ethically fit to deliver what the public needs to trust the basic research assertions.
As the HPV is spread, at least in part, through sex and that the numbers of teens engaging in sex has seen a decrease in several of the recent years predating the panic, I am not sold on its efficacy. Too many confounders that as far as I know, have never been looked into. Might be the same with some of the others I too once thought were based upon rack solid science. One, Polio I think, saw a massive drop in cases before the vaccine was available. If true, and I have no idea how big of an “if” that is, then the vaccine deserves far less credit than it receives.
Could the fact that tetanus rates are the same in countries that do and do not boost every decade be due to the fact that the vaccine is simply not effective at all?
I am completely against the chicken pox vaccine. If ever there was a disease that does not need a vaccine it is chicken pox. We all got it as kids and for most who do get it, they are protected for life. It is necessary training for the immune system. From what I have read before the panic, those who get the CP vax are more likely to get the adult forms of the disease which can be rather rough but rarely deadly, and in the case of my grandfather, a life saver.
As far as studies go on vaccinated vs. no vaccinated children, why hasn’t anyone studied the Amish, who generally do not get vaccines, and those who do, do not follow the CDC schedule nor get all of them. If studies have been done, why are they not published and publicized?
I believe that the medical community knows the truth about vaccines and it is abhorrent. But what Guy Incognito recently stated with teachers applies here too; they fight to keep the truth from getting out as it would affect their livelihoods in profoundly negative ways.
I agree that the increase in reported cases of autism is probably not due only to vaccines, however, whatever the causes are they need to be dealt with. It has been learned that there are financial incentives to push vaccines and for diagnosing covid. I have little doubt that such exists in many other aspects of medicine. This is perhaps the biggest culprit behind all these issues. It is why those who speak out against any aspect of this have the entire medical-political establishment come after them. Such people are attacking their golden goose.
Regarding chickenpox for sure - as I quoted in the article Denmark doesn't vaccinate children for that.
I think the HPV vaccine is working, though it may not be as dramatic a success as some of the reports suggest for reasons like the one you suggest. Maybe polio too. I believe the tetanus vaccine is effective but I'd need to find the original literature that showed the decline once people were routinely vaccinated for it. My understanding was that it was a clear benefit so unless the bacterium has mutated to be less bad I'm going to stick with the idea that that one is effective
I totally agree that people are not studying groups like the Amish because they don't want to get inconvenient data.
I am dead against the HPV vaccine. There are well documented cases of severe adverse reactions which are unacceptable from a vaccine for a disease that is 100% avoidable without it. Then we have the fact that the shot is required for my med students, one who got the cancer anyway. She survived but went from a knockout beauty of 20 something to looking like a handsome 40 year old over the summer. Shocking. Was it due to the shot, don’t know, but it didn’t stop her from getting the disease it was to prevent, which may have given her a false sense of security.
I was not anti vax. However, I have long had questions about vaccination as practiced in the U.S. and Japan. Apart from what I am learning through you, I know nothing of what the UK does in this area. One of my big long term questions is what role do they play in allergies. My first recollection of having the thought fully formed is when a Japanese friend told me that both of her kids suddenly became allergic to most of the foods she had been feeding them. Completely unnatural occurrence, at least to me anyway.
I have some allergies, as does the preexwife; some of which we share while we each have our own. The Kid has all which we have plus a couple we do not. Neither my parents nor hers have any allergies. In fact, I know not a single person of my parents’ generation who have allergies. I am sure that some of that generation do, but they must either be far fewer than my generation or all concentrated somewhere I have never encountered anyone from. Same with my grandparents’ and great grandparents parents’ generations.
As a child, I was allergic to poison ivy, a friend had a poison sumac allergy, another asthma and another hay fever, and that was it. Now, almost every kid has one or more allergies. Why? Well, what do vaccines do? They trigger immune responses. Is it far fetched to think that perhaps increases in vaccinations in individuals and rates society wide might have something to do with the generational increases in allergies? Of course, as far as I know, this has not been studied and all I write here is based upon little more than personal observation.
After these past 5 1/2 years, I have come to distrust the medical establishment so much that if a lab coat wearing person with MD after their name told me there was zero percent chance of rain I would grab a sou’wester and inflatable raft as it was likely to flood, so wrong these quacks have been of late.
Allergies being so common today definitely needs some investigation.
I have noticed that they seem more common in people who live in cities though I have no idea why that would be the case. Especially since pollution in cities has decreased at the same time as allergies have risen
Hay fever is something that has been on my radar since even before I was stricken with it. As I understand it, it is called hay fever in the U.S. because that’s what city folk suffer when they venture out in to the country where we hayseed hicks live. In Japan, it seems to be the reverse. I have had a countless number of students from rural Japan or smaller cities where cedar pollen is so thick that their cars are orange in the mornings before they drive to work or school during the Spring, yet it was not until they have lived a few years near Tokyo that they began to get hay fever. I remember reading a theory that it was not the actual pollen that causes most to suffer, rather the pollen is a carrier for dust, dirt and pollution which leads to the irritation. I currently subscribe to this theory. Could similar be true with other allergies? Don’t know but this theory does not rule a possible role for vaccines. Both could play parts in this drama.
I had bad hay fever as a city kid in the early 1960s - and asthma, too, although they didn't really have inhalers back then. And I had not only every vaccine my mom - an ex-Army nurse could find, I had regular allergy shots. All the trouble came to an end when my aunt gave me a job on her farm, cleaning stables and kennels and the like, and over the course of a few weeks, I got over most of the allergies - and stopped with the shots.
The work on farm kills allergy thing seems pretty common. I know other people who had that experience.
But I think it is not just farm work. My father, who was a mostly urban child and adult until he was about 50, had bad hay fever all the time. Then when he was about 50 we moved to live in a house surrounded on two sides by fields and two sides by woodland. His hay fever stopped and never came back
Purely anecdotal, but: growing up, we had four kids relatively closely spaced, a break of five years, then bonus twins. It looks at a glance like that five year break, 1961-1966, was right when the industry qua industry was ramping up. None of the older kids (or parents) had allergies or the like; both twins had allergies and other issues.
With six kids, Mom's later recall of who'd had what, shots or diseases, was a bit vague. For the older cohort especially, Dad was just starting out & self-employed, zero health insurance, so we weren't taken to the doctor unless deathly ill. I'm sure we got no shots we didn't absolutely have to have; two of us got at least one shot during school, at school (elementary, late '60s). I was surprised when I started traveling overseas, & we had to dig up records, to find how short my record was.
According to the CDC, the old vaccine, PPSV23, is 60% to 70% effective in preventing invasive pneumonia, the more serious version of the disease in which pneumococcal bacteria infect the major organs and the blood. Although[ it ]is new, its mechanism and the strains it covers suggest it is even more effective, especially for people living in nursing homes or other long-term care facilities.
I'm going to say that, despite the recommendation to get vaxxed being now for people over 50, unless I'm in a nursing home, this is one I'm personally going to skip because I think my chances of getting the disease are very very slim
There's a 'better hope I am joking' about me being an expert in expertise, and akshully, I do understand why people don't trust experts. People sorta should not be trusting experts, and the incidental filtering that many outsiders to academia did would naturally result in experiencing 2020 as a big huge 'these people are useless and actively harmful' warning.
I absolutely do not believe that we have clear apples and oranges data on per capita incidence of autism.
Any sort of decadal trends have the certain confounding factor of changes to infant and child death rates from other causes.
Before we consider that the last twenty or more years of diagnosis data are contaminated with two professions going insane or being politicized.
I'm personally fine with dismissing RFK as a lunatic, his position on the murders of his family members is clearly questionable, but the health bureaucracies deserve the obligation to treat his positions on health as serious.
Anyway, close family members that I often trust were much more based than I on the vaccine debate, and on childhood vaccine policy. I really wanted to believe that the feds could manage a sane military policy during a biological war. 2020 finally forced me to come around to reason and good sense.
There is an argument that Denmark has the distinct difference that it does not have a land border with Mexico. It does share a border with Mexico in the sense that the North sea connects to the Gulf of America through the Atlantic. Still a qualitatively different border situation, and perhaps thus situation with alien exposure and the pathogen distribution.
Anyway, I am pretty much of the view that the vaccine mandates were evil, and evil of a sort that would naturally raise serious doubts as to whether federal contractors which do medical research are ethically fit to deliver what the public needs to trust the basic research assertions.
As the HPV is spread, at least in part, through sex and that the numbers of teens engaging in sex has seen a decrease in several of the recent years predating the panic, I am not sold on its efficacy. Too many confounders that as far as I know, have never been looked into. Might be the same with some of the others I too once thought were based upon rack solid science. One, Polio I think, saw a massive drop in cases before the vaccine was available. If true, and I have no idea how big of an “if” that is, then the vaccine deserves far less credit than it receives.
Could the fact that tetanus rates are the same in countries that do and do not boost every decade be due to the fact that the vaccine is simply not effective at all?
I am completely against the chicken pox vaccine. If ever there was a disease that does not need a vaccine it is chicken pox. We all got it as kids and for most who do get it, they are protected for life. It is necessary training for the immune system. From what I have read before the panic, those who get the CP vax are more likely to get the adult forms of the disease which can be rather rough but rarely deadly, and in the case of my grandfather, a life saver.
As far as studies go on vaccinated vs. no vaccinated children, why hasn’t anyone studied the Amish, who generally do not get vaccines, and those who do, do not follow the CDC schedule nor get all of them. If studies have been done, why are they not published and publicized?
I believe that the medical community knows the truth about vaccines and it is abhorrent. But what Guy Incognito recently stated with teachers applies here too; they fight to keep the truth from getting out as it would affect their livelihoods in profoundly negative ways.
I agree that the increase in reported cases of autism is probably not due only to vaccines, however, whatever the causes are they need to be dealt with. It has been learned that there are financial incentives to push vaccines and for diagnosing covid. I have little doubt that such exists in many other aspects of medicine. This is perhaps the biggest culprit behind all these issues. It is why those who speak out against any aspect of this have the entire medical-political establishment come after them. Such people are attacking their golden goose.
Kitsune, thank you for this excellent comment. I am on board with everything you say, especially regarding HPV and chicken pox vaccines.
I think we're in violent agreement generally.
Regarding chickenpox for sure - as I quoted in the article Denmark doesn't vaccinate children for that.
I think the HPV vaccine is working, though it may not be as dramatic a success as some of the reports suggest for reasons like the one you suggest. Maybe polio too. I believe the tetanus vaccine is effective but I'd need to find the original literature that showed the decline once people were routinely vaccinated for it. My understanding was that it was a clear benefit so unless the bacterium has mutated to be less bad I'm going to stick with the idea that that one is effective
I totally agree that people are not studying groups like the Amish because they don't want to get inconvenient data.
I am dead against the HPV vaccine. There are well documented cases of severe adverse reactions which are unacceptable from a vaccine for a disease that is 100% avoidable without it. Then we have the fact that the shot is required for my med students, one who got the cancer anyway. She survived but went from a knockout beauty of 20 something to looking like a handsome 40 year old over the summer. Shocking. Was it due to the shot, don’t know, but it didn’t stop her from getting the disease it was to prevent, which may have given her a false sense of security.
I was not anti vax. However, I have long had questions about vaccination as practiced in the U.S. and Japan. Apart from what I am learning through you, I know nothing of what the UK does in this area. One of my big long term questions is what role do they play in allergies. My first recollection of having the thought fully formed is when a Japanese friend told me that both of her kids suddenly became allergic to most of the foods she had been feeding them. Completely unnatural occurrence, at least to me anyway.
I have some allergies, as does the preexwife; some of which we share while we each have our own. The Kid has all which we have plus a couple we do not. Neither my parents nor hers have any allergies. In fact, I know not a single person of my parents’ generation who have allergies. I am sure that some of that generation do, but they must either be far fewer than my generation or all concentrated somewhere I have never encountered anyone from. Same with my grandparents’ and great grandparents parents’ generations.
As a child, I was allergic to poison ivy, a friend had a poison sumac allergy, another asthma and another hay fever, and that was it. Now, almost every kid has one or more allergies. Why? Well, what do vaccines do? They trigger immune responses. Is it far fetched to think that perhaps increases in vaccinations in individuals and rates society wide might have something to do with the generational increases in allergies? Of course, as far as I know, this has not been studied and all I write here is based upon little more than personal observation.
After these past 5 1/2 years, I have come to distrust the medical establishment so much that if a lab coat wearing person with MD after their name told me there was zero percent chance of rain I would grab a sou’wester and inflatable raft as it was likely to flood, so wrong these quacks have been of late.
Allergies being so common today definitely needs some investigation.
I have noticed that they seem more common in people who live in cities though I have no idea why that would be the case. Especially since pollution in cities has decreased at the same time as allergies have risen
Hay fever is something that has been on my radar since even before I was stricken with it. As I understand it, it is called hay fever in the U.S. because that’s what city folk suffer when they venture out in to the country where we hayseed hicks live. In Japan, it seems to be the reverse. I have had a countless number of students from rural Japan or smaller cities where cedar pollen is so thick that their cars are orange in the mornings before they drive to work or school during the Spring, yet it was not until they have lived a few years near Tokyo that they began to get hay fever. I remember reading a theory that it was not the actual pollen that causes most to suffer, rather the pollen is a carrier for dust, dirt and pollution which leads to the irritation. I currently subscribe to this theory. Could similar be true with other allergies? Don’t know but this theory does not rule a possible role for vaccines. Both could play parts in this drama.
I had bad hay fever as a city kid in the early 1960s - and asthma, too, although they didn't really have inhalers back then. And I had not only every vaccine my mom - an ex-Army nurse could find, I had regular allergy shots. All the trouble came to an end when my aunt gave me a job on her farm, cleaning stables and kennels and the like, and over the course of a few weeks, I got over most of the allergies - and stopped with the shots.
The work on farm kills allergy thing seems pretty common. I know other people who had that experience.
But I think it is not just farm work. My father, who was a mostly urban child and adult until he was about 50, had bad hay fever all the time. Then when he was about 50 we moved to live in a house surrounded on two sides by fields and two sides by woodland. His hay fever stopped and never came back
Purely anecdotal, but: growing up, we had four kids relatively closely spaced, a break of five years, then bonus twins. It looks at a glance like that five year break, 1961-1966, was right when the industry qua industry was ramping up. None of the older kids (or parents) had allergies or the like; both twins had allergies and other issues.
Grok on changes 1954-1977: https://x.com/i/grok/share/SuOHKSdHNUCQoPtgoGxat8599
With six kids, Mom's later recall of who'd had what, shots or diseases, was a bit vague. For the older cohort especially, Dad was just starting out & self-employed, zero health insurance, so we weren't taken to the doctor unless deathly ill. I'm sure we got no shots we didn't absolutely have to have; two of us got at least one shot during school, at school (elementary, late '60s). I was surprised when I started traveling overseas, & we had to dig up records, to find how short my record was.
Z. Z. Petals already lauded Kitsune's comment, me too!
The shingles vaccination, based on the data from Wales, appears to lower rates of dementia.
Lovely though this effect is, it does underscore that vaccines can have all sorts of wacky effects.
Oh an coincidentally Instapundit links to this about Pneumonia vaccines - https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/pneumonia-vaccines-adults-now-recommended-124404878.html
Key quote:
According to the CDC, the old vaccine, PPSV23, is 60% to 70% effective in preventing invasive pneumonia, the more serious version of the disease in which pneumococcal bacteria infect the major organs and the blood. Although[ it ]is new, its mechanism and the strains it covers suggest it is even more effective, especially for people living in nursing homes or other long-term care facilities.
I'm going to say that, despite the recommendation to get vaxxed being now for people over 50, unless I'm in a nursing home, this is one I'm personally going to skip because I think my chances of getting the disease are very very slim