There is an elephant in the room regarding any Eastern European / Nordic mutual defense alliance; the need for such an alliance to have a nuclear deterrent against the possibility that "some of its (Russia's) nuclear weapons may work". The thought of Poles in control of nuclear weapons will give Germany nightmares. Personally, I think any Russian nukes that work are aimed at China (the Russians will nuke their own territory in Siberia to keep the Chinese out) but I wouldn't bet Warsaw on it.
That goes for Ukraine, too, which got conned out of its nukes - the third largest force in Europe, in 1994 by the US, UK, France, and, of course, Russia... That was the Budapest Memorandum.
Thanks for the link. Note this - "The idea, for example, that the UK can only afford to send in 10,000 troops - and the 20,000 REMFs backing it up - is laughable - Ukraine is Europe’s second poorest country, yet it has been able to field a force of ten times that. Surely the UK as one of the world’s richest countries, with a population of nearly 70 million, nearly twice the size of Ukraine, can easily afford to do better than that. And that’s true for a lot of the countries in Europe, as witness the pathetic performance of Chris Heusgen from Germany - usually drunks just leave parties when the free beer runs out. A lot of the ex-Soviet countries are not like this, but they have a damned good idea of what is at stake, the memory is still fresh." https://streamfortyseven.substack.com/p/president-trumps-fantastic-peace (post edited to reflect population figures, which make Keir Starmer's whine about not being able to do anything look frankly pathetic...) In this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jnxrqeOYPM - replace Patton with JD Vance and the sleeping soldier with Europe, and that's a fair commentary on the current situation
I doubt many would make good soldiers. But if all the young adult males in the boats were rounded up and conscripted to do something tough one suspects the numbers of such people coming in following waves would decline fast (see e.g. Trump & the Mexican border)
I did not think this when it first started, but IF reports of what the US was doing in Ukraine are even partially true, well if Russia was doing the same in Mexico, we Americans would hang anyone who stood in the way of invading Mexico to through the Russians out.
It also seems that there are many in the US and possibly the UK who are getting g rich off the international financial being sent to Ukraine.
I am not a Putin fan. I hate that he invaded, but it does seem that the U.S. was poking the bear and happy with the result.
As far as T wanting to negotiate peace with Putin, I do not think he cares if the peace is durable or not. It is to disentangle the US from the whole affair and leave it up to those in whose backyard all this is happening in to deal with it. “Not our problem, you handle it.” Kinda situation.
If pansy assed EU dipshits would rather spend their money on Green castles in the sky when they have a potential aggressor down the block, how in the hell is my duty to provide them anything? They made their bed, they can lie in it.
"... means that for Eastern Europe to be stable and able to have self determination they need to deter Russian aggression until it becomes clear that Russia no longer seeks to control them."
Hum, the same is true if you replace the word Russia with American ABC agencies, or EU, or NWO or whatever.
As is known, since the beginning I've suggested there are two sides to the story & if one wants to understand, it's needed to see both sides.
Also I find it curious that many today who admit and allow that our media and government has been blatantly lying to us for decades, yet form their opinions, take a stand on the conflict based solely on "information" provided by the media and the government.
Also I'm not ready to sell short on President Trump's efforts to create not a ceasefire but peace in Eastern Europe in our times. He's pulled many rabbits, not chickens out of hats as well as proving he's able to DOGE a pullet.
Hey I'd love him to pull it off, I just think he's not going to succeed based on how Russia has ignored previous deals. See the Budapest deal when Ukraine denuclearized and the Minsk accords. Russia is like Hamas. They plan to break ceasefires when the think they can win.
Yes the US did meddle in Ukraine.
But I know people who were in the Maidan protests. It was a genuine revolution/revolt not astroturf. Ukraine as a whole, and now I think even the Russophone parts, really do not want to be a part of Russia.
In the period of 2014 - 2022, Ukraine committed a formal policy of genocide against Russians. Why are we even pretending to be on the side that "legalized" genocide, cancelled elections, arrested opposition leaders, outlawed political parties, banned churches, disappeared journalists, and murdered tens of thousands of their own people?
There is an elephant in the room regarding any Eastern European / Nordic mutual defense alliance; the need for such an alliance to have a nuclear deterrent against the possibility that "some of its (Russia's) nuclear weapons may work". The thought of Poles in control of nuclear weapons will give Germany nightmares. Personally, I think any Russian nukes that work are aimed at China (the Russians will nuke their own territory in Siberia to keep the Chinese out) but I wouldn't bet Warsaw on it.
Yeah if I were Poland I'd be having quiet words with Israel
That goes for Ukraine, too, which got conned out of its nukes - the third largest force in Europe, in 1994 by the US, UK, France, and, of course, Russia... That was the Budapest Memorandum.
Of course, we also promised that NATO would not expand eastward.
Thanks for the link. Note this - "The idea, for example, that the UK can only afford to send in 10,000 troops - and the 20,000 REMFs backing it up - is laughable - Ukraine is Europe’s second poorest country, yet it has been able to field a force of ten times that. Surely the UK as one of the world’s richest countries, with a population of nearly 70 million, nearly twice the size of Ukraine, can easily afford to do better than that. And that’s true for a lot of the countries in Europe, as witness the pathetic performance of Chris Heusgen from Germany - usually drunks just leave parties when the free beer runs out. A lot of the ex-Soviet countries are not like this, but they have a damned good idea of what is at stake, the memory is still fresh." https://streamfortyseven.substack.com/p/president-trumps-fantastic-peace (post edited to reflect population figures, which make Keir Starmer's whine about not being able to do anything look frankly pathetic...) In this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jnxrqeOYPM - replace Patton with JD Vance and the sleeping soldier with Europe, and that's a fair commentary on the current situation
Conscript Brits to fight in Ukraine?
UK could solve two problems at once by conscripting its newly arrived "immigrants." I am sure Ireland would go along with such a plan.
I doubt many would make good soldiers. But if all the young adult males in the boats were rounded up and conscripted to do something tough one suspects the numbers of such people coming in following waves would decline fast (see e.g. Trump & the Mexican border)
I did not think this when it first started, but IF reports of what the US was doing in Ukraine are even partially true, well if Russia was doing the same in Mexico, we Americans would hang anyone who stood in the way of invading Mexico to through the Russians out.
It also seems that there are many in the US and possibly the UK who are getting g rich off the international financial being sent to Ukraine.
I am not a Putin fan. I hate that he invaded, but it does seem that the U.S. was poking the bear and happy with the result.
As far as T wanting to negotiate peace with Putin, I do not think he cares if the peace is durable or not. It is to disentangle the US from the whole affair and leave it up to those in whose backyard all this is happening in to deal with it. “Not our problem, you handle it.” Kinda situation.
If pansy assed EU dipshits would rather spend their money on Green castles in the sky when they have a potential aggressor down the block, how in the hell is my duty to provide them anything? They made their bed, they can lie in it.
"... means that for Eastern Europe to be stable and able to have self determination they need to deter Russian aggression until it becomes clear that Russia no longer seeks to control them."
Hum, the same is true if you replace the word Russia with American ABC agencies, or EU, or NWO or whatever.
As is known, since the beginning I've suggested there are two sides to the story & if one wants to understand, it's needed to see both sides.
Also I find it curious that many today who admit and allow that our media and government has been blatantly lying to us for decades, yet form their opinions, take a stand on the conflict based solely on "information" provided by the media and the government.
Also I'm not ready to sell short on President Trump's efforts to create not a ceasefire but peace in Eastern Europe in our times. He's pulled many rabbits, not chickens out of hats as well as proving he's able to DOGE a pullet.
Hey I'd love him to pull it off, I just think he's not going to succeed based on how Russia has ignored previous deals. See the Budapest deal when Ukraine denuclearized and the Minsk accords. Russia is like Hamas. They plan to break ceasefires when the think they can win.
Yes the US did meddle in Ukraine.
But I know people who were in the Maidan protests. It was a genuine revolution/revolt not astroturf. Ukraine as a whole, and now I think even the Russophone parts, really do not want to be a part of Russia.
In the period of 2014 - 2022, Ukraine committed a formal policy of genocide against Russians. Why are we even pretending to be on the side that "legalized" genocide, cancelled elections, arrested opposition leaders, outlawed political parties, banned churches, disappeared journalists, and murdered tens of thousands of their own people?